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Most of those familiar with the railroading saga of ex-border patrol agents Jose Compean and Ignacio “Nacho” Ramos believe that the root of their prosecution came from the top, that being President George W. Bush. To any who have perused my blog, it will become crystal clear that I hold little credence in the concept of the conspiracy theory. That’s not to say that some conspiracy theories are valid, in fact some are. Most however are complete bunk, like 9/11 conspiracy theories for example. In the case of Ramos and Compean, I believe that our moron of a president made certain that these two border agents would see serious prison time.

This idea became even more evident yesterday when White House press secretary Tony Snow made it quite clear (at least to me) that C-grade President Bush does in fact want Ramos and Compean in jail. Snow’s response to a question concerning the two border agents was snarky, rude, and condescending (see below.)

I suppose Bush is reveling in his lack of popularity. He seems to love it. Even with the coming, and likely changing tides of the November elections, Bush just wants to ensure that the Republicans cede as many seats as possible to the Democrats. Unfortunately, like Bush, most of the Dems are illegal alien lovers themselves, very much in favor of open border policies that overwhelm and strain our economy even more than it already is. California has all but returned to Mexico. Texas is close behind with Arizona and New Mexico close on its’ heels.

Make no mistake. This is what Bush wants–more voters for the Republican party, regardless if they can legally vote or not.

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Snow says question on agents’ prison time ‘nonsensical’
Bush spokesman turns back inquiry about jail for officers who injured fleeing smuggler

Asking whether two U.S. Border Patrol agents sentenced to prison for shooting a drug-smuggling suspect in the buttocks is “nonsensical,” according to a White House spokesman, even if it is something of high interest among WND readers.

Yesterday Les Kinsolving, WND’s correspondent at the White House, asked Bush spokesman Tony Snow whether Bush would use his power of pardon to free the agents.

“That’s an unanswerable question, Les. The president is the person who is responsible for pardons. You can tell the network, which made you ask that question, that it is nonsensical,” Snow said.

The question referenced the terms of 11 years and 12 years handed down by U.S. District Court Judge Kathleen Cardone in El Paso, Texas, last week. She gave Jose Alonso Compean 12 years in prison and Ignacio Ramos 11 years and one day despite a plea by their attorney for a new trial after three jurors said they were coerced into voting guilty in the case, the Washington Times reported.

As WND has reported, a federal jury convicted Compean, 28, and Ramos, 37, in March after a two-week trial on charges of causing serious bodily injury, assault with a deadly weapon, discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence and a civil rights violation.

Ramos is an eight-year veteran of the U.S. Naval Reserve and a former nominee for Border Patrol Agent of the Year.

WND readers have been asking the same question posed to Snow. On a newly-created WND Forums site, which was set up to allow reader input to the WND website, and even to the president, several readers wondered about the situation.

“You should give the both of them a full pardon and inform the judges that they have no [jurisdiction] over the invasion of this country,” wrote cliffhanger. “Also why have you not closed the [border]?”

Keith Lehman also weighed in.

“The rules of engagement should apply. Whether the officer only perceived to see (sic) a weapon, the fleeing criminal had attacked one officer and the other thought that his partner was injured by the fleeing criminal. And as far as the ‘victim’ criminal: When you break the law, you are subject to whatever comes your way – especially when attacking a law enforcement officer,” he said.

“The Border Patrol agents convicted need a pardon yesterday. They then should be returned to their duty, if they so desire, and be reinstated with their record wiped clean and receive all back pay lost to them during this fiasco they call justice.”

Drummerboy simply said the question needs to be answered: will there be a pardon? “Good question, drummerboy,” said squidly.

Ramos, last Feb. 17, responded to a request for back up from Compean, who noticed a suspicious van near the levee road along the Rio Grande River near the Texas town of Fabens, about 40 miles east of El Paso. A third agent also joined the pursuit.

Fleeing was an illegal alien, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila of Mexico. Unknown to the growing number of Border Patrol agents converging on Fabens, Aldrete-Davila’s van was carrying 800 pounds of marijuana.

Aldrete-Davila stopped the van on a levee, jumped out and started running toward the river. When he reached the other side of the levee, he was met by Compean who had anticipated the smuggler’s attempt to get back to Mexico.

“We both yelled out for him to stop, but he wouldn’t stop, and he just kept running,” Ramos told California’s Inland Valley Daily Bulletin.

“At some point during the time where I’m crossing the canal, I hear shots being fired,” Ramos said. “Later, I see Compean on the ground, but I keep running after the smuggler.”

At that point, Ramos said, Aldrete-Davila turned toward him, pointing what looked like a gun.

“I shot,” Ramos said. “But I didn’t think he was hit, because he kept running into the brush and then disappeared into it. Later, we all watched as he jumped into a van waiting for him. He seemed fine. It didn’t look like he had been hit at all.”

In a move that still confuses Ramos and Compean, the U.S. government filed charges against them after giving full immunity to Aldrete-Davila and paying for his medical treatment at an El Paso hospital.

“This is the greatest miscarriage of justice I have ever seen,” said Andy Ramirez of the nonprofit group Friends of the Border Patrol. “This drug smuggler has fully contributed to the destruction of two brave agents and their families and has sent a very loud message to the other Border Patrol agents: If you confront a smuggler, this is what will happen to you.”

Kinsolving also asked Snow about the situation in the race for the Ohio governor’s office, in which the Cincinnati Enquirer reported an Ohio state Republican spokesman said that Democratic Congressman Ted Strickland should have known a man arrested for exposing himself to children was on his congressional payroll.

“Does the president believe it was wrong for this Republican state spokesman to bring up what most of the national media is refusing to report, even as they so repeatedly report the case of Congressman Foley?” Snow was asked.

“I’m just going to refer that one back to the Ohio Republican Party,” Snow said.

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Anyone who’s happened to stumble across this blog, without quickly clicking away of course, may have noticed how little credence I hold in the legion of 9/11 conspiracy theories that become more proliferate nearly every day. For the 9/11 conspirator, the burden of proof is immeasurably vast. Considering there’s an abundance of technical and scientific evidence (not to mention simple eye-witness accounts) pointing away from any overt conspiracy, such as the ever-popular direct U.S. government involvement, it just makes me wonder what could be going through the minds–perhaps a plethora of brain-altering drugs–of individuals who actually buy into a conspiracy of this magnitude when no evidence what-so-ever even points to such a preposterous connivance.

It seems conspiracy theories begin as a result of great emotional impact upon a person or persons who simply wish to garner some kind of sense out of events their collective minds struggle to understand. If people feel an event or events have not been properly explained to them, the inevitable theory of conspiracy may result. For some reason, the opposing yet superfluous evidence just can’t slither through the tightly clenched sutures of their skulls and sink into their brains. Is it more fun to be a nut? Apparently, especially when it conforms to a liberal bias, such as blaming Bush (a nut in his own right) and his/our government.

Yet when something fantastic and horrifying happens that does conform to the popular mindset, at this point in time, liberal leanings towards Israel and a dreadful bombing attack upon the southern Lebanese town of Qana a few days ago, no one thinks to question that perhaps something else might have been at work to the end that was that terrible circumstance where dozens of men, women, and children were killed in a building that collapsed hours after the bombing.

Granted, and not to compare the Qana bombing to 9/11, or make light of it, the impact isn’t on a scale that even comes close to matching September 11. Nonetheless, it was an important if sickening event in the hostilities that have been raging for weeks in the mid-east.

But why was the knee-jerk reaction to immediately point towards the Israeli forces as those responsible for those deaths? The obvious answer would be because the Israeli’s launched a few missiles towards Qana. The residents of the building in question had been repeatedly warned to leave the structure and relinquish the area because Israeli intelligence, arguably the best in the world, had spotted Hezbollah associates entering and exiting the zone in which the building stood. When the IDF tells you to leave the area, you had damn well better leave the area.

Missiles were launched at the building, but it took another seven hours for the building to finally collapse. There could be several evident reasons why this occurred–and the not so evident reason that should make conspiracy theorists the world over delight in newfound purpose. Odd that they have remained silent.

Here’s an excerpt from an article listed at the end of this blog entry.

Among the explanations for the time gap being studied are that the missile that hit the Qana building badly damaged the infrastructure, but the structure was held together for another seven hours and then collapsed of initial damages; or that the building housed weapons that exploded later, causing the structure to collapse.

Military officials say they are not ruling out the entry of a “third party” that detonated explosives seven hours later, although they have no information this occurred.

“I don’t want to get into conspiracy theories,” said Israeli Air Force chief of staff Amir Eshel. “We will work diligently and collect every detail, so as to understand what happened there. I hope that we will know in the end, but I’m not sure. It’s possible that we will never know what exactly happened there.”

The Israeli’s are dealing with a group of people who have never shown any fear of martyrdom–who have never shied away from strapping explosives to their bodies in the hopes that their individual death might result in a much higher cost paid by their enemies. As reprehensible as it sounds, should we also not explore the possibility that this same terrorist organization would be willing to sacrifice their own children to achieve the greater purpose–the eradication of the Zionists? I know not all terrorists participate in suicide attacks, but Palestinians and Hezbollah certainly have. This is a reality. It has happened before, and will inevitably happen again, and again, and again.

So that’s my conspiracy theory. Hezbollah sacrificed their own people, women and children included, for political purposes. Now of course I have no hard proof of this, but knowing even minimally how the terrorists operate, and the actions they have perpetrated over the years, I have no difficulty postulating such an unthinkable possibility. Anyway, that’s how conspiracy theorists think, right?

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Then again, god forbid I exploit the issue.

Israel not to blame for Qana deaths?

Questions surround missile attack on building in south Lebanon


Posted: July 31, 2006
12:36 a.m. Eastern
By Aaron Klein
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

TEL AVIV – Israel might not be to blame for the collapse of a building yesterday in south Lebanon that reportedly killed 58 civilians, drawing worldwide condemnation and calls for an immediate end to the Jewish state’s attack on Hezbollah’s infrastructure, according to an initial investigation.

The Israel Air Force yesterday fired a missile at a building in the Lebanese town of Qana, believing the structure was used as a refuge by Hezbollah members.

The Israeli army last week and again this weekend warned Qana residents to vacate the area. Israeli drones picked up images of Hezbollah members entering and exiting the vicinity of the targeted building, military officials say. They said Hezbollah likely used the building to take refuge immediately following the launching of rockets from the area.

The missile was fired at the Qana building at 1 a.m. Lebanese time. According to scores of local reporters, the building collapsed at about 8 a.m. – leaving open a seven-hour gap military officials currently are attempting to analyze.

Two other missiles were fired in Qana during the seven-hour period, but the targets were hit correctly and were accounted for. Military officials ruled out the possibility a second Israeli missile struck the building seven hours after the initial strike.

Among the explanations for the time gap being studied are that the missile that hit the Qana building badly damaged the infrastructure, but the structure was held together for another seven hours and then collapsed of initial damages; or that the building housed weapons that exploded later, causing the structure to collapse.

Military officials say they are not ruling out the entry of a “third party” that detonated explosives seven hours later, although they have no information this occurred.

“I don’t want to get into conspiracy theories,” said Israeli Air Force chief of staff Amir Eshel. “We will work diligently and collect every detail, so as to understand what happened there. I hope that we will know in the end, but I’m not sure. It’s possible that we will never know what exactly happened there.”

Unexplained so far, according to military officials here, is why it took seven hours to evacuate the building after the missile strike.

“According to foreign press reports, and this is one of the reports we are relying on, the house collapsed at 8 a.m. We do not have testimony regarding the time of the collapse. If the house collapsed at 12 a.m., it is difficult for me to believe that they waited eight hours to evacuate it,” said Eshel.

Already the international community yesterday demanded an immediate end to Israel’s campaign in Lebanon, which began July 12 after Hezbollah ambushed an Israeli military patrol unit and kidnapped two soldiers. The terror group has since fired an average of 90 rockets per day at northern Israeli cities, killing 15 Israelis and wounding hundreds, some seriously. One-third of Israelis currently live under the threat of Hezbollah rockets.

United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan yesterday joined Lebanese leaders in calling for an unconditional cease-fire, which the United States rejected. The U.N. Security Council expressed “extreme shock and distress” over the attack on Qana attack.

The U.S., though, urged a temporary halt to hostilities in Lebanon, which Israel agreed to this morning, announcing a 48-hour period in which the Israeli Air Force will cease to bomb targets with the exception of strikes against Hezbollah rocket cells about to launch missiles.

Israel says it needs another 10-14 days to complete its military offensive in Lebanon, which aims to deal a severe blow to Hezbollah’s infrastructure. But political sources tell WND Israel is expecting a cease-fire to be implemented by the weekend.

“We now need to expedite our time period for this operation based on the political reality,” a military planner told WND. “I fear we are not going to have enough time to do what must be done to Hezbollah in Lebanon.”

Israel previously ended a military campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon after an attack 10 years ago on Qana drew widespread condemnation. In April 1996, following a Hezbollah raid against the Jewish state, Israel launched an operation against Hezbollah positions in south Lebanon. But after the Israeli shelling of a U.N. peacekeepers base in Qana killed more than 100, the operation came to a swift end.

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I’d heard about this event last week, but it managed to cause such a small blip on my radar that I intended to simply let it pass without a second thought.  Well, I’m bored.

Apparently last weekend here in Los Angeles, a small group of like-minded individuals gathered together in the convention hall at the Sheraton Hotel under the perceived auspices and their undying confidence in the straw-grasping that is 9/11 conspiracy theory.  I say apparently because I can’t even find a simple news story on the web concerning this small meeting of small minds.

They called it the “American Scholars Symposium.”  Ahem.  I wonder if they intentionally left out any verbiage relating to 9/11, and particularly conspiracy theories, in order to avoid the inevitable bad press that would generate as a result of their two-day symposium.  Most likely.

Anyway, here’s their website.

Their list of speakers is fairly dubious.  Most notable is the high school flunky, Dylan Avery.  Dylan crafted a passably produced, if obviously ridiculous, film called “Loose Change” that focused on the actual airline attacks during the morning of 9/11.  Dylan also performed double-duty as the narrator, and damn, he has an annoying voice.

Here’s a kid who failed to graduate with his high school class in 2001, and yet he’s managed to ignite the conspiratorially weak-minded with what many consider a brilliant essay on what officially happened on 9/11.  Personally, I can’t help but laugh at the absurdity of it–this situation, and his film.

On their front page, in large text near the middle they boldly state concerning the convention “Two Days of Truth Facing the Facts.”  Um… yeah.  Don’t facts equal truth?  Is not truth a summation of facts, or more accurately a conformity to facts?  How can truth face facts if the outcome has already been ordained?  I know I’m nitpicking, but if this banal slogan is representative of what they’re trying to accomplish, then perhaps the American Scholars Symposium needs to look towards professionals, such as an actual PR company, to promote their causes and events.

If anything, this convention, and those like it, prove the old adage that birds of a feather flock together, and so will pigs and swine.  These people don’t care about truth, or what they would consider dissenting viewpoints.  They think they’re right.  But the burden of proof is on them.  This is not an argument about determinism and free-will.  This isn’t akin to an atheist demanding evidence for the existence of God.  I am not required to prove anything.  9/11 Conspiracy theorists must be the ones to present compelling evidence in order to overturn what is regularly accepted through eyewitness accounts, scientific evidence, and common sense.  These people would rather raise absurd questions.  And raise them over and over and over.  That’s all they do.  They’re entire belief system is contingent upon a never ending stream of “what ifs.”

If we’re lucky though, perhaps this will be their only convention in LA.  Of course, there are a lot of quacks and morons out there willing to latch onto anything that can give them some sort of community, wrapping themselves in insipid conspiracie theories, while simultaneously trivializing those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001.

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Freakery
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Release date: By 18 April, 2006

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I think it's interesting how many insano's, left-wingers (and some conservatives), and in general, conspiracy theorists, maintain such a prodigious faith in the infallibility of George W. Bush and his current government concerning the attacks of 9/11. I personally think Bush and his administration have done a horrible job in general, but particularly with the lack of any sort of prescience (or at least action on what they could piece together) regarding the attacks on our country on September 11th. They're too dumb to have pulled off something like this.

The conspiracy theorists mentioned above however, must have the most heartfelt admiration and confidence in Bush and his ilk to believe that the government could have possibly pulled off something as big and extravagant as the 9/11 attacks, while being able to keep everything so hush-hush. They also must be complete assholes (the conspiracy theorists, not Bush, though Bush is an asshole.)

Anyway, the below clip is a couple of months old, but unfortunately it will continue to be relevant for decades as crazy folk persist in grasping onto tendrils of information that they blow out to ridiculously colossal conspiratorial proportions.

To whomever happens to come to this blog, you know that I hold no credence in 9/11 conspiracy theories. But I'm not an expert. Instead I prefer to point to people more knowledgeable than myself (just about everyone) to argue in detail my basic beliefs–in this case, 9/11 conspiracy theorists are whack-jobs.

This time though, I thought I'd let Penn & Teller speak their mind about this controversial subject. It aired on Showtime's Penn & Teller's Bullshit! a couple of months ago, but as I stated above, this subject will sadly continue it's relevancy for quite a while.

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